is it a 998 or an S?

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    There could be all kinds of reasons (including stolen car of course) and ringing, for whatever reason has gone on for many many years… A 998 Cooper of course should NOT have most of the parts you mention – shouldn't have twin tanks or servo for a start. The window glass is all date coded as are all the Lucas electrical items, boot lock etc. and if the same (wrong) date is on most of these items then it would be reasonable to assume it to be a ringer. It is also true that most old Coopers have had a lot of parts swapped and replaced so there may be nothing sinister about it at all. As for numbers matching the logbook, that doesn't mean much as the engine number can be changed and the chassis number is held on with 2 screws!

    If you are trying to establish a value for it you can only value it on what you see. If you can buy a Cooper S for Cooper money that sounds a good thing! It will be a fun car which is perhaps the most important thing and few old Coopers are what they started life as, to be realistic. If you want a completely 'correct' car, this probably isn't it, but it depends on what you want.

    If it is a ringer, a Heritage certificate will only tell you what the chassis number/logbook started off as, not the car you see before you:(.

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    I have seen plenty of Coopers fitted with RH tank or servos. A standard LH tank gives piss all range, and a servo just helps the 7' discs a bit.

    I wouldnt start assuming its a Cooper S if i am honest. You havent been very specific about what is on the car in the way of engine, brakes speedo etc.

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    Yep the description's a bitvagueto give any worthy advicehere as has been said,just wondering why you think a right hand tank and a servo makes it an S ? If it's a 66 manufacturean Swould have a [b]factory[/b] fitted R/H tank which could be one way of telling, along with the Speddle box, S displacers, etc etc. More info needed , though I'd guess it's most likelya 998 Cooper with a R/H tank ! 😉

  4. A bit delicate this but I have been offered a 1966 Cooper 998 which the owner bought off a dealer (selling parts) at a Mini show about 8 years ago. I had a look at it yesterday and the thing has twin tanks (orginal), brake servo and all dsorts of nice things like an orginal heated rear screen etc. Now the numbers match the log book but there was no history before this chap bought it. The wiper motor reads November 1966 but the car was registered April 1966. I know the heated rear screen was not available until November 1966. Could this be a ringer? But why would someone want to ring a 'S' and call it a 998? 🙁

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    [b]Glen Ponder wrote: [/b] “Yep the description's a bitvagueto give any worthy advicehere as has been said,just wondering why you think a right hand tank and a servo makes it an S ? If it's a 66 manufacturean Swould have a [b]factory[/b] fitted R/H tank which could be one way of telling, along with the Speddle box, S displacers, etc etc. More info needed , though I'd guess it's most likelya 998 Cooper with a R/H tank ! ;)”
    'along with the Speddle box'

    i thought that both the cooper and cooper S had the same peddle box, with the modified brake peddle that sits higher (longer throw)?

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    Thanks for all your advise. I am having another look at the car today and wil look at all the points mentioned. I'm aware that Mini's do get changed over the years but more concerned that I am buying a stolen vehicle which has had it's numbers changed, even though this may have happened tens of years ago. I have since found out that the speedo was changed by the previous owner (could it have been a 120 mph one and he was trying to disguise it even more?). I will let you know how I get on.

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