rarest cooper S ever built

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    Well if you're looking at it from that view point, then I'm pretty sure that some early MKII Cooper and Cooper S Minis came equipped with MKI style interiors?

    So I'd imagine their even rarer still?

  2. I have allways wondered wich one othe S cars was the least produced?

    From my limited knowledge I gather it was the 970cc and than the 1071cc , but lately I have had time to do a litle reading and research and it seams to me that the first 1275cc s cars with dry suspension and atmospheric cranckase breather were only produced for a few months …. wouldn't this make these cars more rare the 970cc and 1071cc cars? curious to know what the numbers are???

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    the productions figures i have show 1371 1275cc Austin/Morris cooper S made with dry suspension, and 9169 with wet. Can break it down further regarding colours with either wet or dry however i dont have info regarding the breathers, hope it helps a little, cheers Tim

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    Excelent, really low numbers. well I'm pretty sure that most of you have figured out my interest on this subject by looking at my user name . I own a Morris LHD white/black 1275S that was exported to germany in march of 1964 ,according to the serial number it was the 43rd car built with the 1275cc engine. By narrowing the search down to Morris cooper S 1964 LHD export, 1275cc,open breather ,AEG179 manifold, dry suspension, full front valance (no brake cooling cut outs) and single tank, I would like to think these early 1275cc cars are indeed the the rearest BMC mk1 S models built.

    If anyone has knowledge of any records that would comfirm or contradict my statements (guesses) . it would be greatly apricciated.

    I have no intention of disputing anyones opinion on this matter and if I come across the rong way with my statements and comments . I sincerely apologize.

    Just searching for information that will make me happier and prouder of the fact thatI am one of the few lucky ownersof such an amazing litle car

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    Good point KA2S4

    Most of these points are made about build variations in the same model, as is stated at the begining of the thread the 970 is far and away the rarest MODEL, everything else is just very, very slight variations on a theme that no one would have even noticed from new.

    M.

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    one of 110 total oew/black with dry suspension? would that inclued LHD export cars also?

    just one more detail I forgot to mention ,this car was equiped with a steering lock wichisnow missing .the steering column has the slot where itwas originally mounted but I think it might have been removed while the car was raced in the USA during the 60s .SCCA rules required removal of all steering locking mechanisms.

    If anyoneknows where I could find one please contact me I would love to get my hands on one.part#13H 557 or 13H 708

    I'm only missing two items to complete the car ,one is a yearly round shift gaiter and the other is the ignition column lock.

    thanks for all the replys

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    [b]mk1 wrote: [/b] “Good point KA2S4

    Most of these points are made about build variations in the same model, as is stated at the begining of the thread the 970 is far and away the rarest MODEL, everything else is just very, very slight variations on a theme that no one would have even noticed from new.

    M.
    ” I totaly agree that the 970 is the rarest. but clearly we can not compare or ignore the diferences betwin a early dry suspension car and later car of the same model .there is just to many diferent details. sunvisors, review mirrors, front valance,single tank, oil cooler mountinglocation ,shift lever finish,wheel size ,speedo and has you know it goes on.

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    I guess its all horses for courses. I can't see how sunvisors, review mirrors, front valance,single tank, oil cooler mountinglocation ,shift lever finish,wheel size ,speedo etc make a SIGNIFICANTLY different model myself.

    M.

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    [b]mk1 wrote: [/b] “I guess its all horses for courses. I can't see how sunvisors, review mirrors, front valance,single tank, oil cooler mountinglocation ,shift lever finish,wheel size ,speedo etc make a SIGNIFICANTLY different model myself.

    M.

    ” Point taken.

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    i have a 970 car on dry suspension

    build date 19th Oct 64 — tweed grey

    engine no: — no longer in the car, 9F-SA-X/29384

    Is that one of three?

    james

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    It concerns the very first 3 970S's that were built in June 1964.
    Engine numbers are 9F-Sa-X 29001, 9F-Sa-X 29002 and 9F-Sa-X 29003.

    Interesting though that your post September 1964 car is dry and not hydrolastic.

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    Hydro suspension seemed to be intrduced late on 970s – first official Austin chassis number is 549763 which wasn't built until November 1964.

    A Morris was bult earlier but probably only because it was a car for the Motor Show.

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    fyp741c wrote:
    “i have a 970 car on dry suspension

    build date 19th Oct 64 — tweed grey

    engine no: — no longer in the car, 9F-SA-X/29384

    Is that one of three?

    james

    I also have a 970s built 1 October '64 Engine 29413

    So 29 engines apart!

    Mine is also dry suspension,and says so on the heritage cert.
    It is interesting that they specify this on the heritage trace,as cars much earlier or later didn't say either way.

    As Simon says,a lot of 970s were built 'dry' during the changeover period,this was probably because most 970 cars were destined to be circuit racers.
    perhaps it was also a vain attempt to offset the cost of that expensive (for a mini) engine!

    My shell (original) has many hydro features,as it was built after the introduction of hydro.

    James

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    Hi

    Very exciting reading.

    It is possible totell me how manyLHD1071 AustinCooper S there waspainted almond green with awhite roof??

    Best Regards Kristian

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    [b]tim64 wrote: [/b] “yes the 110 total oew/black includes exports models” well… I've been trying to hold back but now I'm curious to Know how many oew/black 1275 S dry suspension LHD cars rolled off the assembly line? Now that I know its' one of 110.

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    I also have a 970s built 1 October '64 Engine 29413

    So 29 engines apart!

    Mine is also dry suspension,and says so on the heritage cert.
    It is interesting that they specify this on the heritage trace,as cars much earlier or later didn't say either way.

    As Simon says,a lot of 970s were built 'dry' during the changeover period,this was probably because most 970 cars were destined to be circuit racers.
    perhaps it was also a vain attempt to offset the cost of that expensive (for a mini) engine!

    My shell (original) has many hydro features,as it was built after the introduction of hydro.

    James”
    Hi James

    Yes interesting, in Parnells book i think it states that the change over was September of 64

    however my heritage certificate only states a fresh air heater

    ps chasis no ends in 727

    body no AO 32043

    Unfortunatly I do not have the engine, I boughtthe carin 1986 as a 1275 and only found out it was a 970 when I asked for a heritage certificate in the early ninties

    James

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    hi Kristian, 610 alm green / white Austin 1070,s were produced but that is for home and export, sorry but i dont have a break down of home and export cars.

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    [b]Mk 3 S Meister wrote: [/b] “Hydro suspension seemed to be intrduced late on 970s – first official Austin chassis number is 549763 which wasn't built until November 1964.

    That's interesting! I am restoring a November 1964 970S for a friend, which was hydrolastic and that was also stated on the Heritage Certificate. Can't check the exact built date however at the moment…

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    Brian harper (of Minisport fame) was telling me that there were only 28 examples of the 970'S' produced in Fiesta Yellow ….. and his wife has one.

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    What other monotone colour schemes were there ? There were some unusual roof/body combos for 997's as well according to 'the bible' ? Do you have any listed ?
    Droid

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    Some of the very early 997 coopers had a dove grey roof,
    Green and white i think.

    Does anyone know how many Surf blue 970 cars were made?
    J K says there are 5 known today,including mine.

    James

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    [b]android wrote: [/b] “What other monotone colour schemes were there ? There were some unusual roof/body combos for 997's as well according to 'the bible' ? Do you have any listed ?
    Droid”
    Black was a special order monotone colour – have only ever seen one Mk1 998 in recent years.

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    Quite a few Mk 1's were built in monotoneusing the standard body colours except, it seems, Fiesta Yellow.

    It seems that depending on who you were you could get unusual colours as well such as Chartreuse Yellow, Carlton Grey, Red/White.

    Dove Grey appeared with Almond Green and also Old English White on some very early 997s.

    73 of the 970s started life as Surf Blue/OEW.

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    Thanks for that info, had a feeling that red was the most used colour, it would be interesting to know how many of each colourJK has on the register

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    [b]mk1coopers wrote: [/b] “Tim64, what was the most used colour on the 1070's??, would it be red, and if so how many?” sorry for the delay in replying i couldnt find the info,after a bit of serching i ve found it. Yes red and black was the most used colour on 1071,s. 648 austins and 509 morris,s total 1157, fifty odd more than almond green/white.

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    [b]ka2s4 wrote: [/b] “Yes…. But it's not actually a separate model;)”
    F.I.A.had a different opinion.

    bringing this topic back so I can learn a little more.

    Didn't F.I.A bane dry suspension cars from FIA sanctioned events?

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    🙂

    Hi, Joining the 970s chat, mine is built on 20 Oct 64 but the heritage cert did not remark it with dry suspension mod, it is a wet car with all the wet susp feature, and eng no. 9f sax 29623, but as usual, the original 970s motors is gone, it is tweed grey with fresh air heater, no RH tank !

    😛

    Al

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    The reason I brought the topic back is:I have FIA Homologation forms that were issued the the original owner of my cooper s and on the 1st page it says the form was started 7-12-64 and that specs were reached 3-12-65.so I'm a Little puzzled??? I have been told that dry 1275s weren't Homologated but wet cars were… my carhas dry suspension and it was raced in FIA events with these homologation forms and clearly the track specs are different .so my question is… did FIA allow these early cars to run under the same Homologation forms as the later cars? or did FIA just ignore the suspension details and hallowed the earlier cars to compete ? any info on this matterwould be greatly appreciated.

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    join the club!!

    my 970s was born on the same day, same colour, engine no 29610!!

    unfortunately engine deceased and replacedwell before I got the car in the 90's, so looking for a replacement.

    Any leads?

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    This must be catching!

    My 970s , engine number 29263, has its original engine missing.

    Currently have 1275s in place.

    I have managed to cobble together a 970s engine, although it took over a year.

    Must get round to building it one day.

    Mark

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    Well there is this one but missing it's main and big end bearing caps 🙁

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