Mini Cooper Register
I managed to get myself an original 1071 s block with the engine number tag still attached. So I am trying to find out which car it came from. Anybody got a list to help me out. My parts list only goes up to so far.
What is your block number, I'll have a look in my book.
as you might well understand I'm a bit hesitant in giving out the complete number. But it's along the lines of 9F-SA-H-28###
Looks like a 1071 engine number to me. Why would you be hesitant to give out the whole number?
I'll look and see what I have in my book. Not that I am questioning your right to keep the number to yourself, but whatdo you thinksomeonecould do if they had your number? I have noticed, quite often, people are very guarded about divulging numbers butI don't think it would be any use to them here in New Zealand. Maybe things are different in other countries??
My book only goes up to 26XXX. Is there anything in Parnell's book to give you a clue?
The only thing I can find is that it was made between March and April 64. Apart from that not much.
BMIHT can provide a Heritage Certificate from an engine number but they charge extra for it (I think it is Ã‚Â£10 extra) and that is assuming they can find it of course.
How can you expect to tie your engine number up to a specific car without divulging the whole number?
If you contact heritage and speak nicely to them, once you have divulged the whole number they will probably tell you what car it came off. This is over and above the call of duty, but it is something they can do.
Guess what I have in my hand, it starts with 'a secret letter', No clues though!
I understand what you mean Mark.
But what I meant was that the parts lists have the listings of the engine numbers listed with the chassis and car numbers .
My parts list only goes up to so far and I thought that somebody would have one even digital that does mention the engine numbers up to the number I mentioned.
[b]masnarda wrote: [/b] ”
The reason why I only partially gave you the engine number is because I want to try to get a V5 for a 1071 by using this as a reference. Hope that the DVLA will be so kind.”
Do you have the car then minus the chassis plate/ log book ?
If that's so you'll need to apply though the V765 scheme which will involve an inspection of the vehicle.
Correct me if I am wrong but it sounds like the cunning plan is to rebuild the car from the engine upwards.
Hmmmmmmm, that thought crossed my mind too. 😯
[b]masnarda wrote: [/b] “Through the V765 scheme you should be able to get a V5 in the way I intend to do.
Apparently extensive photo documentation would be sufficient instead of real live viewing of the car. And the inspection has to be done by one of a few recognized clubs, this is where the Cooper Register plays a role.
Apart from that I have my uncle in the UK who I have for the postal address.”
Sailing VERY close to the wind there me old fruit, the words neck and brass spring to mind. Has Greg Hales moved to the Netherlands ? 😛
I think you'll find documentation of a dead car won't suffice and physical inspection will be necerssary.Of course where there's a will there's a way but don't expect anyone on here to help you with your dodgy dealings. ;)Least of all me ! 😛
[b]mk1 wrote: [/b] “Complicated can of worms that.
This is typical of the sort of thing that put me off having anything to do with Coopers & S's, I have stuck to plain old 'Minis' for years now.
Funnily enough Mark I've come across loads of humble 850's in the last 12 months that had serious 'identity issues' ! 😛 Must be contageous :D.
There were three old classic Minis for sale outside Bingley recently. Two Mk1 850's and a Mk3 'S'. The Mk3 was being peddled as original but alas was a humble 850 in disguise, one Mk1 850 was a '65 disguised as a '62 and the other 850 was ok despite earlier trim and wrong colour ! Well two out of three ain't bad. 😀
It is the plan to rebuild the car from engine upwards. And indeed no logbook or vin plate. But the only thing is that the 'car' is in Holland and I want to apply for a V5 using the V765 scheme. So that might be somewhat tricky.
I noticed the Green/White Mk1 850 that was a '65 disguised as a '62, or was it the other way around, and thought 'Why?'
Presumably Don Farr is a forum memberand will now be fully aware ofthis 'cunning plan,' as Baldrick would put it 🙂
There are otherclubs that are approved and are allegedly not so picky provided you cough up the fee they charge.
A bit like'cash for honours' then 😛
Yes, I suppose it is 😕
The V765 scheme is only for vehicles where you are trying to retain an original UK registration number.
To register an oldcar with the DVLA without any previous registration paperwork you need a UK address and they will probably want to inspect the car.
Through the V765 scheme you should be able to get a V5 in the way I intend to do.
Apart from that I have my uncle in the UK who I have for the postal address.
Complicated can of worms that.
Maybe its not a very good idea to go on a board run by one of the clubs that are able to 'authenticate' your car and tell everyone that all you have is an engine number. I feel sorry for the poor sod who has the rest of the car when he finds out there is a clone of his beloved S living in Holland.
Just my 2 penorth.
A while back a mini restorer i know was showing me a photobook of his work. Of all the loiost of coopers and s's, i dont think one had its original shell, sometimes even engines: he said thats what was done in the eighties.
Nethertheless they were cracking cars, and he was completely honest about what he had done; apparently when the owners have come to sell they havent been quite as transparent, and people have had their fingers burnt, bad!
The problem is that few people bother to ask the relevant Registrar before buying a car and they don't do their homework. I wouldn't dream of spending say Ã‚Â£10k without thoroughly researching what I was buying.
People aren't prepared to wait these days they have to have everything instantly.
There have been dodgy Cooper and S's around for 25+ years. When I was looking for my first S there was a load of reshelled ringers even then.
Roughly what percentage of coopers s's have their original shell/engine?
[size=3][font=Arial]The point is, fraud is fraud, whatever the circumstances, knowingly peddling a bodged up 850 as a genuine Cooper is just wrong but as the S Meister points out its been going on for ages, certainly since I bought my first Cooper 998 (complete with Nikki Carb Ã¢â‚¬â€œ remember them) in the early eighties.[/font][/size]
[size=3][font=Arial]Personally I have no problem with re-shelled cars as long everyoneÃ¢â‚¬'s pretty clear about it, in fact unless I had absolute proof to the contrary I would assume that pretty much most of the cars out there are. ItÃ¢â‚¬'s a bit like male ballet dancers and members of boy bands Ã¢â‚¬â€œ I just assume they are gay (not that I have anything against gays).[/font][/size]
[size=3][font=Arial]Lets not loose sight of the fact that these are not Bentleys or Ferraris we are talking about but cheeky little, utility cars built to a price.[/font][/size]
[size=3][font=Arial]The important thing is that there is some sort of continues history.[/font][/size]
My experience has mainly been with Mk1's and I'd hazzard a guess that around 75% + of Mk1 Coopers and S's are running around with adopted bodyshells. S's are more likely as they tended to get totalled on a regular basis during competitions, I've certainly done it.
Thing is that's kind of missing the point .The restored original shells on most Coopers have had the majority of the 'original'metal replaced anyway. For me it's the story that counts, reshell or not, the continuous history of the car is top priority. For others however a Cooper is a Cooper if the spec is right, and they enjoy 'em for what they are and rightly so. Each to their own I say as long as we can all make an informed choice, and there's the rub.
My only objection is the geezer with the'original' car who describes it as the real deal, a typical case of which was that Mk3 'S' at Bingley which had me fooled for litterally minutes til I went back to have a closer look. Original shell and paint says the seller, loads of 'original' patina inside and out until I clocked the spot welds gone rusty on the carefully painted in bootboard brackets , round the clock reading on the speedo on an apparently low mileage shell and new dash vinyl. The seller was either completely in the dark or I suspectlying through his teeth. Someone further down the line will be a little upset that they've paid Ã‚Â£5k for an unrestoredMk3 standard 998 Mini with a tired 'S' motor in it and a log book. If you read the 'Questionable Ebay cars' thread you'll see this is not uncommon.
Anyway, Mr Masnarda gone a bit quiet !? 😉 Haven't put him off have we ? 😛
Trouble is these little 'projects' always leave atrail of so that a couple of owners down the line somebody gets a nasty surprise when a nosy git like me spills the beans, or not as the case may be. The number of times I've bit my lip just to prevent ruining someone's day who's brought their kit car to a show and is completely in the dark about it's shady past.
I couldn't agree more.
Glen Ponder wrote:
“Anyway, Mr Masnarda gone a bit quiet !? 😉 Haven't put him off have we ? 😛
Not at all, was just letting everybody have there say in the matter. ( and the gf kicked me out, but that's beside the matter 😉 )
The thing for me is to rebuild an original 1071 s. But like everybody knows it's very difficult to get one which is original. So my opt is if I got the original engine why not try to get one through that.
I have no intention at all to rob somebody else of their registration or whatever.
If the car which it came from is on the road with an other engine in it fine. Tough luck for me and I will have to keep on looking, otherwise it's an other one back on the road ( prob in a heated garage but you get my point).
Greg Hales!! Now there's a lying scumbag to ponder upon! What a piece of work he was/is.:shock:
I don't see the problem of building a car from the engine up – even if you can get the chassis number that matches the engine you'll never get the number plate back because DVLA cannot/will not cross reference.
Yonks ago I built a Cooper S from a rusty discarded shell. Someone had pulled the engine and gearbox plus the specific S bits from it to put into a miny Austin Mini shell the same colour so I ended up with the rolling shell with it's glass, heater, lights, panels etc. From the body number left on the front panel I got the original chassis number back, completely rebuilt the shell, put an engine together and registered it on the chassis number that related to that shell. Perhaps there are two S's on the same chassis number – but I know which is the more original of the two!
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