Pictures and Info Wanted – Fisher 1962/1963 and Sparrow 1970 RAC British Rally Champs

Hi – by way of introduction, my name is Paul, i'm based in sunny Essex, and i've joined this forum as i'm hoping the members on here can assist me in a quest. I am

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  1. Hi – by way of introduction, my name is Paul, i'm based in sunny Essex, and i've joined this forum as i'm hoping the members on here can assist me in a quest. I am a keen model rally car collector and have over the years built an extensive collection of cars, including one group representing the winning drivers and vehicles from the British Rally Championship back to its inception in 1959. Not surprisingly, the further back you go, the harder it is to locate photos and information.

    I will confess at this stage that I know very little about Mini Coopers other than what i can remember from my days of buying Cars and Car Conversions back in the late 1980s, so please forgive me if my questions are naive.

    I am looking to build models representing the Tony Fisher car/s from 1962/1963 and for Will Sparrow from 1970.

    For Tony Fisher the only information i have is that it was a green Mk1 Mini Cooper. I don't know if the roof was the same colour, and i believe it was 997cc but couldn't say for certain. I think the registration was something like 745 FWP? I am assuming Tony used the same car back to back years but wouldn't be shocked if that wasn't the case.

    From what I have been able to gather, Will used 2 cars during 1970:

    WNX700H. I'm not sure what form of Mini Cooper this originally started out as – was it a Cooper S from new? Was it a Mk1 or Mk2? I believe it ran a 1275cc engine but was this a retro fit to a smaller engined version? I am led to believe it may have had some form of bonnet 'bulge' to accomodate a different carb but that may be inaccurate. Apart from that I have no other information.

    VNX700H. 1970. Group 2 1275 Mk 2 Cooper S (in red) used to win his class and finish 11th overall on 1970 RAC. But, and it's not as daft a question as it may appear, was the RAC rally a qualifying event in the RAC British Rally Championship in 1970 or just a stand alone event?

    Any help or assistance the members of this forum could provide would be hugely appreciated.

    Thank you!

  2. [URL]http://www.wssccrally.org.uk/select-a-year/1963-2/mn-21st-march-1963.html[/URL]
    Black and white photo but appears to have white roof.

    As a general comment, non-standard colours were not that common in those days (early 60s back).

    Sparrows cars as listed were built from a new bare shell, not converted from existing MIni Coopers. Original 'WNX' was 1340cc (60 thou overbore of 1275cc). Originaly stan dard bonnet, then with sqare shape bulge to cover 8 port, then Clubman front. 'VNX' would have had to be 1293cc as a Gp2 car.

    I was on it but I can't remember whether the 70 RAC was Britishg Championship (that never seemed important at the time).

  3. I think there is a thread on Tony Fisher on the AutosportF1 'The Nostalgia Forum' but the search facility is a bit quirky and the Forum has become a bit clunky to use (a bit like this one….)

    Fisher's car would have been a 997. If you click on 'select a year' on the WSCC site 1963 section above, Fisher was 3rd on the 62 Express and Star.

  4. WNX 700H is currently being restored by a member of this forum.

    [url]http://forum.minicooper.org/forum/ex-works/rally-cars/11131-wnx-progress[/url]

    Here's a couple of pictures of the car before the restoration began

    [IMG]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww102/surfblue63/Beaulieu%202010/2010_06130304.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww102/surfblue63/Beaulieu%202010/2010_06130307.jpg[/IMG]

  5. surfblue6 wrote: “WNX 700H is currently being restored by a member of this forum.

    [url]http://forum.minicooper.org/forum/ex-works/rally-cars/11131-wnx-progress[/url]

    Here's a couple of pictures of the car before the restoration began

    [IMG]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww102/surfblue63/Beaulieu%202010/2010_06130304.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww102/surfblue63/Beaulieu%202010/2010_06130307.jpg[/IMG]

    Thanks! There is a picture in that thread of the car on the Welsh rally in 1970 which is the clearest i've found so far – i think the other pictures effectively show the car in its 1971 format as i believe it was rolled in about Oct1970 on the Tour of Mull and rebuilt for the next season with the flat front end.

  6. Austin Powere wrote: ”

    Tony Fisher's Austin 997 was 745 FNP, I think it was green and white and his 1071 definately was green and white – 370 KUY (also an Austin) and was works prepared for the '63 Alpine. I've got good clear photos of both cars, and in fact if you do a search of the forum you should find a colour photo of the 1071 on the 'Privateers' thread. If you want some pictures just send me your email address and I'll zap some over.

    Pete”

    Many thanks – i think i've sent you a Private Message with my email details – please let me know if it doesn't arrive. Do you know if he used the 1071 just on the International events keeping the 997 for the domestic series?

  7. Having wasted an inordinate amount of my possibly short remaining life (the stress of waiting for this thread to scroll down) in returning to confirm the 70 RAC was a BRC round (Sparrow and Chris Sclater in contention for the title), I can but endorse the previous post…

  8. Thank you! So if they were both used in the 1970 season, i'll need to build both if I can find some good pictures from 1970 ! I have registered on the Mk1 Performance Forum (awaiting authorisation) but couldn't find anything on the AutosportF1 site 🙁

  9. Sorry, another probably dumb question. If VNX400H was a Mk2 Cooper S, accepting that WNX400H was built from a bare shell, was it a Mk1 or a Mk2 shell, and why would people consider it a Cooper? Because of the engine?

  10. reeft wrote: ”

    Many thanks – i think i've sent you a Private Message with my email details?

    Sadly (but predictably for this forum) I haven't received, or just can't find it. If you're researching this subject I'd suggest using the Mk1 performance forum as an alternative.

    Regards

    Pete

  11. You may well have seen this too:
    [URL]http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2012/09/29/mini-cooper-tribute-to-ex-rally-champion/[/URL]
    The dreaded Dunlop SP3 – I made the mistake of using them later on at the end of their availability (because all the best people had used them…). A compromise tyre, used by the works too, but a couple of years later, all compromise. The SP44 was available soon for gravel and the SP41, then the SP Sport was better for tarmac. That 'Monza' flip up filler would soon be giving scruitineers heart attacks…

    I'm sure VNX was built from a bare shell too. So long as it complied with the homologation papers and the 'freedoms' within Appendix J, it would be called a Cooper S (by all except the real specialists of the MCR etc.)
    Original WNX must have been a Mk2 shell (at the date it was built). There was a series of articles on it in CCC magazine. I saw it on an early outing on a road rally (Dubonnet?). Whilst it was never an homologated spec car (it ran in Gp6 on any Internationals it was eligible for), the motorsport fraternity would consider it a Cooper S, then a 1275GT.

  12. Found the TNF thread but nothing there of substance.

    His (works-prepared) 1071S was said to be new for the 63 Coupe des Alpes. There is a film of that event that is probably on YouTube – he might appear in it briefly?.
    He ran No.31 on the 63 RAC in Gp3.
    (That was under the previous Appendix J that ran up to1965. Gp3 was GT cars and saloons modified beyond Gp2 spec then, not the Gp3 of the Sparrow era). It might affect the appearance of the car compared to standard or Gp2.

  13. reeft wrote: ”

    I am looking to build models representing the Tony Fisher car/s from 1962/1963 and for Will Sparrow from 1970.

    For Tony Fisher the only information i have is that it was a green Mk1 Mini Cooper. I don't know if the roof was the same colour, and i believe it was 997cc but couldn't say for certain. I think the registration was something like 745 FWP? I am assuming Tony used the same car back to back years but wouldn't be shocked if that wasn't the case.”

    Tony Fisher's Austin 997 was 745 FNP, I think it was green and white and his 1071 definately was green and white – 370 KUY (also an Austin) and was works prepared for the '63 Alpine. I've got good clear photos of both cars, and in fact if you do a search of the forum you should find a colour photo of the 1071 on the 'Privateers' thread. If you want some pictures just send me your email address and I'll zap some over.

    Pete

  14. LMM76 wrote: “[URL]http://www.wssccrally.org.uk/select-a-year/1963-2/mn-21st-march-1963.html[/URL]
    Original 'WNX' was 1340cc (60 thou overbore of 1275cc).

    Pretty sure 1275 +60 gives 1330 😉

  15. Again, many thanks! Yes, I've seen the Shropshire Star article.

    So…. Tony Fisher – 1962 Mk1 Cooper 997cc, 1962 probably Mk1 Cooper 997cc for at least the first half of the BRC, then possibly 1071s for the second half, Will Sparrow 1970 probably Mk2 Cooper S' in 1275 form but two different specs/groups?

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