World Cup Rally 1970

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  1. Hello Thomas, I think you may be confused by the picture caption. the car pictured is the 'Recce' car OBL 46F and was not entered for the event. It is pictured being worked on inside Abingdon Competition dept. The actual cars entered were effectively 'Homologation' free and would have been regarded as closest to Group 5/6 or prototype. The Splits pictured were without airbox.

    The actual car that ran for BL was the Clubman XJB 308H still owned by Phil Cooper who bought it direct from Abingdon at the end of 1970. This car although fitted with a large Weber airbox during build actually ran twin SU carbs.

    Ade

  2. E-typ wrote: “A Peter Bartram entered the World cup rally 1970 with a Clubman.

    This car used split webers, i can see from this pic.
    But has it got extra room made in the firewall for these split webers?

    And was the World cup rally for Gp. 2 or Gp 5 cars?

    Regards Thomas”

    Peter Bartram was the Abingdon mechanic who built the car, not the driver. This recce car was used by John Handley and Paul Easter in preparation for the World Cup rally.

    Robert

  3. Thank you Ade and Robert
    You have been very helpful.

    We have a bit of an argument here in denmark, about the use of weber air boxes in our pre 1972 Gp 2 race cars.

    Regards Thomas

  4. E-typ wrote: “Thank you Ade and Robert
    You have been very helpful.

    We have a bit of an argument here in denmark, about the use of weber air boxes in our pre 1972 Gp 2 race cars.

    Regards Thomas”
    My understanding is that for Group 2 you can not modify the body and specifically the bulkhead to take the Weber air box. The Weber can't be used in group 2 anyway as you have to retain the existing inlet manifold. This was the route of the Split Webers all those years ago when they fitted them to a standard manifold via an adaptor which was deemed part of the Weber – but in any case, they still ran with the bulkhead unmodified – which I'm afraid you still have to do in group 2.

    Robert

  5. A Peter Bartram entered the World cup rally 1970 with a Clubman.

    This car used split webers, i can see from this pic.
    But has it got extra room made in the firewall for these split webers?

    And was the World cup rally for Gp. 2 or Gp 5 cars?

    Regards Thomas

  6. 1969 and all tha wrote: “Just to clarify Ted, they were not Historic Marathons in the 60s and 70s, they were just Marathons. A Marathon of course is much tougher than a Historic Marathon:D”

    In my writings I always use the term [U]H[/U]istoric with a capital for the rallies in this period to differentiate them from the 'modern' renditions (i.e. since the Pirelli Classic Marathon) where I would use [U]h[/U]istoric to show the generally lower level.

    Unfortunately the concept of the rally car with genuine history (Historic Rally car) has been rather subverted by using the term for recently constructed ones (I use historic rally car). The club catering for our genuine Historics having completely lost its way from its original concept – I know because I was there at the beginning and in the early years did much to promote the genuine cars.

    Sorry if I am sounding a little pompous.

    Ted

  7. TedTaylo wrote: “In my writings I always use the term [U]H[/U]istoric with a capital for the rallies in this period to differentiate them from the 'modern' renditions (i.e. since the Pirelli Classic Marathon) where I would use [U]h[/U]istoric to show the generally lower level.

    Unfortunately the concept of the rally car with genuine history (Historic Rally car) has been rather subverted by using the term for recently constructed ones (I use historic rally car). The club catering for our genuine Historics having completely lost its way from its original concept – I know because I was there at the beginning and in the early years did much to promote the genuine cars.

    Sorry if I am sounding a little pompous.

    Ted”

    Not at all Ted, I know how you feel. I was also in at the start of the HRCR with a 'Real' car. My original comment was more tongue in cheek but your response is both valid and in my opinion true, I retired my own car from competition following the incidents with the late Martin Jubb 2.5 Triumph and the Valler ex works Sabre, both accidents I came across whilst at Full chat in my ex works Mini. Mixing real Historics with new historics is dangerous for the real cars.

  8. World Cup Rally 1970

    E-typ wrote: “And was the World cup rally for Gp. 2 or Gp 5 cars?”

    As well as the 1970 World Cup Rally all the other Historic Marathons of the 1960s and 1970s ran homologation free, they basically only had to satisfy the scrutineers about safety.

    This was as much to enable people to prepare cars strong and reliable enough to be able to cope with the massive strains imposed by this type of rallying as with anything else, though it did allow people/companies to produce some cars with very interesting performance …… !

    Ted

  9. TedTaylo wrote: “As well as the 1970 World Cup Rally all the other Historic Marathons of the 1960s and 1970s ran homologation free

    Ted”

    Just to clarify Ted, they were not Historic Marathons in the 60s and 70s, they were just Marathons. A Marathon of course is much tougher than a Historic Marathon:D

  10. Air Box

    OBL 46F /XJB308H Ran a small air box being the same shell XJB as got Split Webers fitted to it and I belive these were fitted when Phil Cooper purchased the car from Abingdon this car is very orignal

    Kelvin

  11. Kelvin129 wrote: “OBL 46F /XJB308H Ran a small air box being the same shell XJB as got Split Webers fitted to it and I belive these were fitted when Phil Cooper purchased the car from Abingdon this car is very orignal

    Kelvin”

    OBL 46F ran splits as a recce car but without an air box as far as I recall

    XJB 308H ran a full Group 6 'long inlet' Weber airbox but used twin SU's, the car did not come from Abingdon with the Splits fitted, these were fitted in Mid 1971 (according to 'Memory Lanes') when Phil Cooper fitted a Longman Head, this was the engine in this guise that Phil Cooper fitted to my SOH car that he was loaned for the 1971/2 RAC Rallies before fitting back into XJB, Phil Coopers car is very original as you say.

    Actually as I look at the XJB build photo, it seems it may be a smaller airbox than I thought it was, apologies Kelvin.

    Ade

  12. youngre wrote: ” The Weber can't be used in group 2 anyway as you have to retain the existing inlet manifold. ”

    This is not quite the case;

    The new Group 2 regulations for the 1970 season ([I]which is the period in qustion[/I]) – were sort of a midway point between the Group 2 and Group 5 regulations of the 1968-'69 period – and they clearly states that;


    Engine-induction- system and elements: the induction system is free.

    Yet direct injection may only be used on an engine for which the fitting of a direct injection system has been originally provided for in the manufacturing. Ditto for supercharging.
    By fhe term 'originally provided for in the manufacturing' is meant: normally fitted on cars delivered to purchasers, and mentioned on the recognifion form or the manufacturer's catalogue.” [URL]http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/Hist_App_J_71_Art_260_a.pdf[/URL]

  13. Anyone know what eventually happened to the No.89 World Cup 1970 Mini entry…..after 1984?
    [B]Austin Mini Cooper Four Door – Conroy Motors – Allan Keefe, James Conroy[/B]

    [B]The vehicle details for DAN 3H are:[/B]
    Date of Liability 01 09 1984
    Date of First Registration 01 07 1980
    Year of Manufacture 1970
    Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1300cc
    CO2 Emissions Not Available
    Fuel Type PETROL
    Export Marker N
    Vehicle Status Unlicensed
    Vehicle Colour WHITE

    [URL='http://s555.photobucket.com/user/mab01uk/media/dilon3-mini-world-rally-img_zps3b2f4c66.jpg.html'%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i555.photobucket.com/albums/jj470/mab01uk/dilon3-mini-world-rally-img_zps3b2f4c66.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

    I found this from my 1980's Mini Cooper Club Newsletter collection…..along with some bargain adverts of the time 😀

    [URL='http://s555.photobucket.com/user/mab01uk/media/World-Cup-1_zpsebf51dd7.jpg.html'%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i555.photobucket.com/albums/jj470/mab01uk/World-Cup-1_zpsebf51dd7.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

    [URL='http://s555.photobucket.com/user/mab01uk/media/World-Cup-2_zps1be13306.jpg.html'%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i555.photobucket.com/albums/jj470/mab01uk/World-Cup-2_zps1be13306.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

  14. mab0 wrote: “Anyone know what eventually happened to the No.89 World Cup 1970 Mini entry…..after 1984?
    [B]Austin Mini Cooper Four Door – Conroy Motors – Allan Keefe, James Conroy[/B]

    [B]The vehicle details for DAN 3H are:[/B]
    Date of Liability 01 09 1984
    Date of First Registration 01 07 1980
    Year of Manufacture 1970
    Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1300cc
    CO2 Emissions Not Available
    Fuel Type PETROL
    Export Marker N
    Vehicle Status Unlicensed
    Vehicle Colour WHITE

    [URL='http://s555.photobucket.com/user/mab01uk/media/dilon3-mini-world-rally-img_zps3b2f4c66.jpg.html'%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i555.photobucket.com/albums/jj470/mab01uk/dilon3-mini-world-rally-img_zps3b2f4c66.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

    I found this from my 1980's Mini Cooper Club Newsletter collection…..along with some bargain adverts of the time 😀

    [URL='http://s555.photobucket.com/user/mab01uk/media/World-Cup-1_zpsebf51dd7.jpg.html'%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i555.photobucket.com/albums/jj470/mab01uk/World-Cup-1_zpsebf51dd7.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

    [URL='http://s555.photobucket.com/user/mab01uk/media/World-Cup-2_zps1be13306.jpg.html'%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i555.photobucket.com/albums/jj470/mab01uk/World-Cup-2_zps1be13306.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

    Still exists so the owners tell me. They are a bit secretive and it has not been worked on for some time but it has not been scrapped.
    Colour photo looks like one of the original slides that I have in my World Cup memorabilia collection – was used in the WCR40 souvenir programme.

    Ted

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