1968 Gulf London Rally

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  1. Believe OBL45F. I think it emerged from SS2 Dyfnant (seem to recall it passing our service point on the A road but late). Diff was official reason and it was said to be an lsd. No times shown in results for other than SS1 (Oulton). Story going the rounds on the event was that the car had 105bhp at the wheels, which seems 'unlikely'…
    Coincidently, I was looking in Bill Price's book today – and he seems to have a bad memory for 68, completely missing Makinen's 1000 Lakes entry and writing that the Acropolis was TM's last ever event for BMC.

    (If anyone knows the reg no of Hopkirk's car on the 65 Gulf, I would like to know – it most certainly wasn't the D reg car used in 66, which is what is listed in the Hopkirk book by him and… Bill Price!)

  2. Has any body got any ideas what car Tony Fall – Mike Wood used on the 1968 Gulf London? I know it was to Grp6 spec and they retired with, i think, Transmisson problems, but there is no mention of it at all in Bill Price's book nor Peter Brownings Works Minis book.
    I have seen the video footage on You Tube but it is not very clear as to what car it is.

    Yet another gap to be filled ?

  3. There's a couple of good shots of what happened in 1967 when Tony Fall was driving GRX 5D

    [url]http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/histoire-du-sport-auto/sujet379358-70.htm[/url]

  4. Looking at the youtube footage it looks like either OBL 45F or 46F

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a8dA2CaOfXI[/url]

    The best view is around 3:00 minutes in.

  5. I'd agree that it was OBL 45F.

    I've got a picture of it autocrossing in 1968 with what looks like the remains of a Gulf door sticker on it. Also the Triplex Laminated screen sticker and tax disc holder are in the same places.

  6. Incidently, Fall was quite competitive on SS1 (10 laps of Oulton Park).
    Times were:
    Ake Andersson, Scania Vabis 911 – Clean
    Bengt Soderstrom, works Escort TC – 14
    Bjorn Waldegard, Scania Vabis 911 – 20 (half spin)
    Ove Andersson, works Escort TC – 23
    Tony Fall, works Cooper S – 25
    Next car on something like 60 secs
    (Of course, the fact it was p*ssing down probably helped.)

  7. Not only doesn't Bill recall it but Mike Wood doesn't remember doing this event at all though others do obviously, Fall/Wood are definately on the entry list in car 7. I'll dig the Autosport and MN reports out .

    Pete

  8. Hi all,

    Thanks for the information. It fills in yet another piece of the jigsaw that is missing from the history books?

    Regarding info on the 1965 Gulf London i do belive Paddy used 8 EMO for this event.

    Some other interesting stuff also missing from the history books are the loan of works cars out to the various police forces to use on the International Police Rally.

    I know 8 EMO was used on one event and also one of the works Midgets was used ( one of the YRX cars) on an other, but i think very little is known about this event

    Some more food for thought may be ?

    Kindest Regards to you all
    Steve

  9. Austin Powere wrote: “Not only doesn't Bill recall it but Mike Wood doesn't remember doing this event at all though others do obviously, Fall/Wood are definately on the entry list in car 7. I'll dig the Autosport and MN reports out .
    Pete”

    Some confusion on 'works' cars probably arises because the Gulf was not on the SMMT list of 'approved' events for 'works' entries and advertising of results until 67 or 68, so earlier years can get forgotten in 'works' records and that may get continued for the later years in some cases.

    I guess it's possible Mike Wood was substituted for someone else at the last minute – but his memory seems not so good either, apparently having told an audience there were no mechanics, only Stuart Turner, helping John Wadsworth and him change the couplings on the 64 Liege. His own book records the names of 5 mechanics from 2 service cars being on hand at the time.

    Any scans of reports would be greatfully received – I can offer the 65 Autosport report, which came recently from a French source.

  10. Irwin wrote: ”
    Regarding info on the 1965 Gulf London i do belive Paddy used 8 EMO for this event.
    Some other interesting stuff also missing from the history books are the loan of works cars out to the various police forces to use on the International Police Rally.
    I know 8 EMO was used on one event and also one of the works Midgets was used ( one of the YRX cars) on an other, but i think very little is known about this event
    Some more food for thought may be ?

    Thanks for the 8EMO suggestion.
    I can't recall references to the Int Police Rally other than Marcus Chambers (by then at Rootes/Chrysler) lending John Gott a works Tiger. Doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would have happened in the Turner BMC era?

  11. LMM76 wrote: “Some confusion on 'works' cars probably arises because the Gulf was not on the SMMT list of 'approved' events for 'works' entries and advertising of results until 67 or 68, so earlier years can get forgotten in 'works' records and that may get continued for the later years in some cases.

    I guess it's possible Mike Wood was substituted for someone else at the last minute – but his memory seems not so good either, apparently having told an audience there were no mechanics, only Stuart Turner, helping John Wadsworth and him change the couplings on the 64 Liege. His own book records the names of 5 mechanics from 2 service cars being on hand at the time.

    Any scans of reports would be greatfully received – I can offer the 65 Autosport report, which came recently from a French source.”

    The entry for Wadsworth/Wood started off as having no service crew as they would have been running hours away from the Healey's which BMC's main (and successfull) entry. Later in the rally as there was less cars the chance to service the Mini became easier.

  12. LMM76 wrote: “Thanks for the 8EMO suggestion.
    I can't recall references to the Int Police Rally other than Marcus Chambers (by then at Rootes/Chrysler) lending John Gott a works Tiger. Doesn't sound like the sort of thing that would have happened in the Turner BMC era?”

    BMC loaned cars for the Police rally, instigated by long term BMC team leader John Gott. 977 ARX the works 997 was used by one crew in 1962 . 8 EMO, AJB66B, 18 CRX also used .

  13. SMOKE GREY 107 wrote: “The entry for Wadsworth/Wood started off as having no service crew as they would have been running hours away from the Healey's which BMC's main (and successfull) entry. Later in the rally as there was less cars the chance to service the Mini became easier.”

    Yes, well known, but the point was that Mike Wood was recently reported to have told an audience that there were no mechanics present (when his Liege booklet lists the names of 5 that were by then).

  14. SMOKE GREY 107 wrote: “BMC loaned cars for the Police rally, instigated by long term BMC team leader John Gott. 977 ARX the works 997 was used by one crew in 1962 . 8 EMO, AJB66B, 18 CRX also used .”

    As implied in my earlier post, a Marcus Chambers/John Gott personal thing that seems not to have survived very far into a later era (any more than any of the 'old guard' BMC drivers' employment did…)

  15. Just to muddy the waters a little further I believe the ST 998 Clubman SOH 886H was used in the 1970 or 71 Police Rally not sure if it was loaned or sold.

    Here it is being used on the Press/Journo only 'Alpine' in 1970 with Jerry Sloniger driving and his wife on the maps.

  16. Mk 3 S Meiste wrote: “AJB 66B and DJB 92B were used on the 1965 Police Rally which was based in Liege.

    JBL 172D may have been used on the 1967 event.”

    Roy Ingleton was one of the crew of DJB92B on the International Police Rally and wrote a book 'JOHN GOTT A life in the Fast Lane'. He sent me a photo of the car on the event. I shall dig about and see if I can find it.
    Tom Bradley

  17. Mk 3 S Meiste wrote: “AJB 66B and DJB 92B were used on the 1965 Police Rally which was based in Liege.”

    This is news to me Simon. Do you have any further information? It would fit in as DJB didn't seem to work very hard in 1965

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