8 emo

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  1. Besisde GRX 555 D Bonhams are also selling 8 EMO at the Goodwood auction.

    The Ex-Works 1966 Monte Carlo Rally/Timo Makinen
    1965 Mini Cooper S GRX 555D Rally Saloon
    Estimate: £50,000 – 60,000

    The Ex-Works 1963 RAC Rally/Paddy Hopkirk
    1962 Mini Cooper S 8 EMO Rally Saloon
    Estimate: £80,000 – 100,000

    Enquiries:

    Motor Car Department
    +44 (0) 20 7468 5801
    [email]ukcars@bonhams.com[/email]

  2. '[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Celebrity' chef James Martin bid at the sale and successfully bought the Works Mini Rally Car ‘8 EMO' for £67,500.[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]James Martin said, “I have always wanted a Works Mini Cooper and I couldn't believe my luck when this example was offered by Bonhams. They don't come much better than this and I am looking forward to entering it into either the 2010 or 2011 Monte Carlo Historic Rally.” [/SIZE][/FONT]

  3. Did any one see Mr Martin on the telly last year when he entered the Mille Miglia in a Maserati A6GS. He was warned that it might not make it.

    [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00g82ff[/url]

    I hope his has more luck in his new Mini, it was a lot cheaper than the Maserati. Also I think he has the cash in the bank to fix any damage.

  4. fingers crossed hes learnt his lesson from the first time round,….

    may be some one should also point out that its not just a rare car,,,,,

    is a bloody rare car with history, and part of our national heritage,,,

    😮

  5. niall931 wrote: “Apart from the case of our very own Peter Barker ;), is this the first time a works car has had a celebrity owner?”

    and do you think he will join the mini cooper register

  6. If James is thinking of taking part in a Monte Carlo Historique rally with 8 EMO it must only result in good news for the Mini Cooper. 'The Legend Lives On.' Perhaps PB or RY can point him in the right direction to an experienced navigator/co driver to get a good result. Is there a team prize on offer?

  7. 8 emo

    I watched the last programme he made and felt sorry that he didn't manage to complete the course.

    He is a car nut through and through and is 100% focused on what he does.

    We should take the opportunity now to approach him and offer any help and assistance that he may need.

    Where else can you get better historical information than from the MCR.

    Let's get behind him where we can, rather than criticise him for buying it.

    At least he is looking to use it for the purpose it was built for!

  8. chillbea wrote: “If someone gets his address for me I will send him a membership form.”

    The Gilbert family may be prepared to pass on/have already passed the club's details to him.:)

  9. Have spoken to James over the Goodwood weekend, he has been given some good contacts should he need help, Father in law appears to be quite keen about seeing the right people, so hopefully he will join the MCR. 🙂

  10. NewMINI Ma wrote: “I watched the last programme he made and felt sorry that he didn't manage to complete the course.

    He is a car nut through and through and is 100% focused on what he does.

    We should take the opportunity now to approach him and offer any help and assistance that he may need.

    Where else can you get better historical information than from the MCR.

    Let's get behind him where we can, rather than criticise him for buying it.

    At least he is looking to use it for the purpose it was built for!”

    I agree totally with your positive suggestion Mark

  11. Annoyed

    rendersoniqu wrote: “Personally I think it's brilliant news. Its good that the car is in the hands of somebody that actually loves classics and isn't scared of taking them out so that they can be enjoyed. I did see the program last year and thought it was fantastic. I am sure there will be some sort of TV deal that will accompany his Monte trip, and as been said in previous posts, it can only be a good thing for us classic mini lovers :)”
    I suggest you choose your words more carefully 😡 re'Its good that the car is in the hands of somebody that actually loves classics and isn't scared of taking them out'. The last owner of 8EMO loved classics and although you may not have seen his cars out and about we did.

  12. I can't recall ever seeing it anywhere. GRX555D was also under lock and key for decades when really, it should have been restored many years ago and used – not for serious rallying of course but some lighter events. Ask Stuart Turner what these cars should be doing. There are already three well known museum exhibits at Gaydon – they don't all need to be preened and polished.
    8EMO is not one of the better known works cars. It's been reshelled so there probably isn't a great deal left of the original. If I owned it, I'd be using it properly. Get a few stone chips here and there and give it some life. It's a Mini that did a couple of rallies (neither being particularly notable), not a Le Mans winning Porsche 917. There are many who will own a car just to put it in the garage and say that they own it. This chef bloke is going to use it as it should be used – fair play to him I say.

  13. 618AO wrote: “This chef bloke is going to use it as it should be used – fair play to him I say.”

    Well said; I agree, let's see these cars used as intended and we can all enjoy seeing them.

  14. 618AO wrote: “I can't recall ever seeing it anywhere. GRX555D was also under lock and key for decades when really, it should have been restored many years ago and used – not for serious rallying of course but some lighter events. Ask Stuart Turner what these cars should be been doing. There are already three well known museum exhibits at Gaydon – they don't all need to be preened and polished.
    8EMO is not one of the better known works cars. It's been reshelled so there probably isn't a great deal left of the original. If I owned it, I'd be using it properly. Get a few stone chips here and there and give it some life. It's a Mini that did a couple of rallies (neither being particularly notable), not a Le Mans winning Porsche 917. There are many who will own a car just to put it in the garage and say that they own it. This chef bloke is going to use it as it should be used – fair play to him I say.”
    I guess you did not have the opportunity /forethought or were prepared to make the sacrifices to acquire 8EMO, GRX555D and GRX310D as did the previous owner – at least he did it and rebuilt 2 to a very high standard and used both locally. If he had not acquired them when he did they may not have been here today . Good luck to James Martin but don't knock the person who started the process of collecting works cars – especially when he can't respond – its bad form!:mad:

  15. NewMINI Ma wrote: “I watched the last programme he made and felt sorry that he didn't manage to complete the course.

    He is a car nut through and through and is 100% focused on what he does.

    We should take the opportunity now to approach him and offer any help and assistance that he may need.

    Where else can you get better historical information than from the MCR.

    Let's get behind him where we can, rather than criticise him for buying it.

    At least he is looking to use it for the purpose it was built for!”

    I agree wholeheartedly with this. What a great opportunity to promote the mini to the wider audience, and give help to someone who has the passion and money to take on this challenge. I'd do it too, if only I had the cash!

    john

  16. Personally I think it's brilliant news. Its good that the car is in the hands of somebody that actually loves classics and isn't scared of taking them out so that they can be enjoyed. I did see the program last year and thought it was fantastic. I am sure there will be some sort of TV deal that will accompany his Monte trip, and as been said in previous posts, it can only be a good thing for us classic mini lovers 🙂

  17. I suppose we all do what we are able to do at the time, and it is perhaps not possible to clearly define what was and what was not possible for others to do.

    I for one accumulate, but need to work on the 'finishing' side of things. (And focus.)

    I did not meet Dave, but owe him a lot for the enthusiasm passed on to others, even at a distance through at least one magazine article I still have. It was my hope to catch up with him the next trip, I was aware he was not well but not how serious. My hope is that others continue to regard well those who trod the ground when few others did, that their name and memory lives on with a grace that we all hope for.

    I am sure that many sacrifices were made by Dave over the years, and his family would remember those. If some projects were not finished, at least the more important things (friends and family) were not. The cars are not lost, others can enjoy the pride of ownership, and the satisfaction of restoration.

    What was achieved was done well, and we all are benefactors of that.

  18. askalber wrote: “I suppose we all do what we are able to do at the time, and it is perhaps not possible to clearly define what was and what was not possible for others to do.

    I for one accumulate, but need to work on the 'finishing' side of things. (And focus.)

    I did not meet Dave, but owe him a lot for the enthusiasm passed on to others, even at a distance through at least one magazine article I still have. It was my hope to catch up with him the next trip, I was aware he was not well but not how serious. My hope is that others continue to regard well those who trod the ground when few others did, that their name and memory lives on with a grace that we all hope for.

    I am sure that many sacrifices were made by Dave over the years, and his family would remember those. If some projects were not finished, at least the more important things (friends and family) were not. The cars are not lost, others can enjoy the pride of ownership, and the satisfaction of restoration.

    What was achieved was done well, and we all are benefactors of that.”
    Well spoken 🙂

  19. chillbea wrote: “If someone gets his address for me I will send him a membership form.”

    He lives about 2 miles up the road from me, so I could drop a membership form off. 😀

  20. Norto wrote: “He lives about 2 miles up the road from me, so I could drop a membership form off. :D”
    You can mail him on e mail via his own web site
    [url]http://www.jamesmartinchef.co.uk/pcc.asp?xpath=&xpathid=&lang=eng[/url] using the following e mail address

    [email]limelight.management@virgin.net[/email]

  21. Annoyed

    Bruc wrote: “I suggest you choose your words more carefully 😡 re'Its good that the car is in the hands of somebody that actually loves classics and isn't scared of taking them out'. The last owner of 8EMO loved classics and although you may not have seen his cars out and about we did.”

    I wasn't having a go at the previous owners and I think its a little unfair of you to jump to the conclusion that I was implying that they never used it. I was just making a general statement that its nice for people to have these cars and to use them so we can all enjoy them, especially as it may be accompanied by a TV program.

    Get a life!! 😡

  22. I think this thread has gone completely off track.
    It seemed pretty obvious ,to me anyway, that Rendersonique wasn't criticising Dave Gilbert in [B]any[/B] way but merely saying that despite the flack James Martin recieved for his motoring misdemeanors he should be an active and enthusiastic owner of '8 EMO'.

    To be honest I don't think it particularly tasteful from any parties to be swinging handbags around regarding the late owner of these cars. :confused:

    As for our celebrity chef, well I contacted him through his agent last week to see if he'd like to drive EMO at the Pageant Of Power. No reply though folks , dare I say he'll have bigger fish to fry ! :rolleyes:

  23. Austin Powere wrote: “No reply though folks , dare I say he'll have bigger fish to fry ! :rolleyes:”

    I think he is more likely to lightly sear it and serve on a bed of wild mushrooms with a red wine sauce :p

  24. Austin Powere wrote: “As for our celebrity chef, well I contacted him through his agent last week to see if he'd like to drive EMO at the Pageant Of Power. No reply though folks , dare I say he'll have bigger fish to fry ! :rolleyes:”

    Pete, this isn't exactly new in the entertainment industry. If you had a direct contact you may find he's quite interested. Unfortunately agents are usually in it for number one, passing on messages that don't generate percentages tend not to be top of the things to do list!

  25. I appologise for my previous post :o. Just not used to being quoted out of context, and I don't want to be seen to be having a go at someone when I have no justification to do so.

    Sorry if this has gone off thread :rolleyes:

  26. I'm obviously the only person on here who thought that Mr Martin came over as a complete nob on the Mile Miglia programme that he made, the expression 'Loads of money but little idea' springs to mind.

    During the program, he didn't appear to take any notice whatsoever of any of the advice he was given by people who he employed to give advice. I can't imagine him taking any notice of some self appointed band of experts, how ever well meaning.

    I sincerely hope that he enjoys owning his new Mini and that he manages to finish the Monte hitorique if he does decide to do it, I also hope that 8 EMO doesn't end up getting pushed back onto a trailer after the engine sh4t itself through abuse unnecessarily given to it by him, like the poor Maserati in the aformentioned program. A program I undoubtedly enjoyed as I watched it twice just so I could cringe, shout & swear at it again.

  27. Mk1, as long as he doesn't write it off, I am sure it will give us all a great deal of entertainment during the filming of the event. I haven't read Mr Martins biography, but the fact a young TV personality has an interest in old cars shouldn't be shunned. Bottom line is, his last exploit cost him money (something we don't all have), but don't you wish you had that sort of cash to be able to follow your dream?

    I think my previous post has had a little negative feedback (but its all been resolved in the background). However, I think we should all get behind Martin because I am sure he must be aware of the history of the car he owns and wants to drive. Lets not shoot him down before the event :confused:

  28. Andy2 wrote: “Well, we all know where 8 EMO went but does anyone know who bought GRX 555D and has it stayed in the country?”
    I'm told that GRX555D has gone to europe. No details yet but I'll let you know if i get more info:cool:

  29. mk wrote: “I'm obviously the only person on here who thought that Mr Martin came over as a complete nob on the Mile Miglia programme ”

    No you're not.
    (and the event itself is little better and should not be 'sold' as true competitive motorsport of any description)

    …but maybe I'm the only one who considers works registration numbers are merely that, unless still attached to a bodyshell that they were attached to when in works hands?
    Interestingly, threatening phone calls have recently been made to some on the Rallyesport Escorts Forum who have exposed a re-appeared works Escort registration as merely that and not the original car that is now in Australia and re-registered there.

  30. Can i just add at this point,,, the number plate issue and body issue has been much discussed before and only leads to arguements so before it all explodes again can we leave it all in the past and move on,,

    all we can hope for is that James Martin is well informed enough to know the history of the car an how important it is in the mini history scheme of things,,

    Good luck to him with the event and fingers crossed hope all stays well with the car

  31. Yeah, I think we should all look forward to appreciating these cars whoever owns them. Its a little 'pe-emptive' and a little negative for people to jump to the conclusion that the car may come to harm purely because it is now in the hands of a famous person.

    I think we ought to get James on board this forum, and get behind him. There is always going to be scepticism, but let's keep an open mind. 😉

  32. I think if Mr Martin joins the cooper register and goes on the forums and reads this thread , he is going to thing were all a bunch of tossers anyway judging by this post – He may well be a good thing for the club – I for one wish him well now he has a proper car to drive – cant wait to see it on the TV..

    Maybe just maybe this post should be removed…

  33. Bruc wrote: “I'm told that GRX555D has gone to europe. No details yet but I'll let you know if i get more info:cool:”
    Its thought by the family that GRX555D has gone to Italy:cool:

  34. Hi All

    Hi There

    Im new to this forum game on the car front as reading enough stuff about the Masa trip, is wasn't a valve after all we had suffered a cracked crank, but all fixed now. Im all for freedom of speach so here goes, im here and 8EMO is sat in the garage after its first run out. She runs brilliant and is a tribute to Mr Gilbert, for the record I think the other car at the auction went to a Chinese buyer as he bought it after i was bidding with him, so don't know where it has gone yet I think Italy. As for the car shows and stuff im waiting for the entry forms to the Historic Monte and hope to run it in January. Goodwood is on the cards also but will get it to any show where and when i can. I can promise the car like my others will be used for what its built for and not a piece of garage decoration.

    Best Wishes

    Kind regards

    James Martin 'aka the nob Mr MK1'

  35. Welcome to the Forum (and Cooper ownership:)) Mr Martin, it's good to know that you will be using the car, hope you enjoy it as much as we all enjoy ours.

  36. hmmm im wondering,,, now we have a decent chef on board just wondering if you could do some decent food at our car shows,,, :D:D:D

    welcome to the forum good luck with the car

    Andy

  37. Good to know that you've either got a very thick skin or a good sense of humour……………maybe both.

    Despite great jealousy;) all the very best with the car.

  38. jimjammi wrote: “Good to know that you've either got a very thick skin or a good sense of humour……………maybe both.”

    What do you expect, he's a Yorkshireman!:D

  39. Welcome to the forum James, being new to forums probably means you have got better things to do in life than the rest of us sad originality police!! I'm glad you are going to enjoy the car as that is what it is for. You can rest in the knowledge that any of Dave Gilberts cars were restored and prepared as accurate as was possible to do and your money was well spent (the number plate would probably be worth the auction price to the right person) thanks for posting and any chance of some pictures.

  40. Glad you have joined us James. I am sure you are a very busy guy, but its nice you have found the time to get involved on what can only be described as the best mini forum for quality info and advice.

    I would like to add, please do not be put of by what you may have read earlier on in this thread. I think we are all aware of the history of the car you now own, and inevitably its fame and yours were always going to be a cause for discussion. I think this has been one of the few threads on the MCR that has seen any 'handbags' swinging, and we are normally very well behaved :p

    Welcome

    Andy

  41. I would take Graeme's comment as a joke Andy!!
    Looking forward to the Monte, how about Dave Gilberts daughter Natalie as a codriver, great for the press a human interest story, she navigated for Dave and is a quick driver too?

  42. Gra wrote: “I would take Graeme's comment as a joke Andy!!
    Looking forward to the Monte, how about Dave Gilberts daughter Natalie as a codriver, great for the press a human interest story, she navigated for Dave and is a quick driver too?” .

    Fair comment. Maybe it was still a valid point worth making??

    As for your suggestion as Nat as a co driver…. I have seen her on YouTube and its a good suggestion 😉

  43. 8emo

    Hi there

    Just to point out I felt I was stiched big time by the production company and have finished my ties with them as soon as it was aired as you dont even get to see it before it goes on air. Hope thats the end of the matter on this forum and will have to join the 40,000 other ones to say the same some day. As for 8EMO I am in the process of checking every thing with my mechanic so i know what all the switches and stuff do, and callibrating the Halda. As for the co driver for the Monte im all set for my mothers partner who used to navigate back in the 60's in minis on the RAC so should be fun, as he is a big Paddy fan.

    J

  44. 8 EMO (james),

    [B]I have a big slice of humble pie to eat![/B]

    I take my hat off to you for choosing to enter the murky world of the ex Works Mini & get involved on here, I also wish you the very best of luck with your new car. I am sure you will find your new Min to be more reliable than the Maserati and I am sure you will have an excellent time on the Historic Monte.

    The only thing I would like to say in my defence is the following. I have said it to many people, but didn't say it in my somewhat ill judged comments on this thread. I feel that to a great extent you were stitched up by the guy directing the Mille Miglia programme.

    I hope that you don't judge me to harshly for my previous nob comment.

    Good luck,

    Mark F
    (Mr MK1)

  45. 8 EMO

    Perhaps next year we may see 8 EMO at Beaulieu. Robert Young will be able to tell us if it has ever been displayed in its history at the main event of the year.

    And what about teaching us Mini nuts how to barbecue food at the show. Sure that would be a first for the MCR and perhaps TV as well.

    Hope you enjoy the car, no you will enjoy the car I am sure of that. Best luck on the Monte.

    Graeme

  46. Graeme Alla wrote: ”
    And what about teaching us Mini nuts how to barbecue food at the show. Sure that would be a first for the MCR and perhaps TV as well.

    Can I just offer up a comment here to try and give a slight slant on what may, in reality, be the case. I think we all agree that having James in the community is quite exciting, and an overall bonus to the forum. We all know he is a well respected chef, but I think that the reason for buying the car (and no doubt many of the other vehicles he owns and has owned) is his real passion for cars. Now I may be wrong, but he must get this cooking thing all the time. If I were in his shoes and I came to Beaulieu I wouldn't want to take time out to cook because that wouldn't be my reason for going. My reason would be for the cars, so by all means if he wants to offer to cook, lets take advantage of that if and when he offers.

    I work for the fire service, but I wouldn't want people to expect me to show them how to use a fire extinguisher when I was at a car show. It really wouldn't be the reason I attended the event, and it may put me off going in the first place. 🙁

    Just thinking out loud

    Andy

    PS. Graeme, I didn't mean to single you out here but I know its been posed earlier on in the thread and I had to pick on someone 😀

  47. A smaller 'production' here… Natalie's pre-sale test drive, and tribute to father Dave. (Watch that non-synchro first gear, James!:D)

    [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH8LwRrrPjA[/URL]

  48. Hey up – welcome to the murky world of the mcr – tip of the day – use copious amounts of beef dripping on your handbrake quadrants and they will never ever rust solid……………

    Please please post photo's of the car – would be nice to see it more often..

  49. Welcome to the forum James, and congratulations on the purchase of 8EMO.
    I live at the other end of Stoke Charity road, so I'm looking forward to hearing the car going past on a regular basis! 😀
    Watch out for the railway bridge on the corner though. I stuffed a Mk3 with a 1275GT engine in it into that about 20 years ago!

  50. Hi All

    It is good to hear that James will be bringing the car 8 EMO out more often as i believe that it is good to show them off and show what great work dad did. I hope to be bringing GRX 310D out more too as she is such good fun and I enjoy showing her off.:)

    Natalie.

  51. Hi Natalie, glad to have you here onboard. We were all sad to hear of dave's passing but at least we still have his cars here as a tribute to his work. It will be great to see 310 out again. Gray

  52. Miss Gilbert GRX 310 wrote: “Hi All

    It is good to hear that James will be bringing the car 8 EMO out more often as i believe that it is good to show them off and show what great work dad did. I hope to be bringing GRX 310D out more too as she is such good fun and I enjoy showing her off.:)

    Natalie.”
    Hello Natalie, Kris P mailed me today about your event on the 1st Aug. Matt and my father will be back from London as well so is ok if we all come down. Have you advertised the event yet ?? Best Regards Bruce 😎

  53. Miss Gilbert GRX 310 wrote: “Hi All

    It is good to hear that James will be bringing the car 8 EMO out more often as i believe that it is good to show them off and show what great work dad did. I hope to be bringing GRX 310D out more too as she is such good fun and I enjoy showing her off.:)

    Natalie.”

    Hi Natalie,

    Great to hear that you & James will be getting the cars out to exhibit your late fathers work. Was nice to see you in 310 at Gurston doing your thing, I think a lot of people were surprised to see the car being driven hard :eek:. Lets face it that's when they look their best, you can't get tyre flex or body roll parked in a field!:)

    Mike.

  54. Hi Natalie,

    Ditto to the thoughts expressed above. Your father was an example to many, both at home and abroad. I never had the pleasure of meeting him, but was inspired by his passion. Good to see you continuing in 'the family tradition.':)

    Andy

  55. “Miss Gilbert GRX 310DHi All

    It is good to hear that James will be bringing the car 8 EMO out more often as i believe that it is good to show them off and show what great work dad did. I hope to be bringing GRX 310D out more too as she is such good fun and I enjoy showing her off.:)

    Natalie.”

    [ATTACH]3676[/ATTACH]

    GRX310D @ Gurston

  56. 8EMO owner to join MCR?

    As the Membership Secretary of the MCR (and probably one of the pushiest membership secretaries around, I am told!) I should probably be the one to suggest James Martin joins our Club with his new Ex Works car 8EMO. I also happen to be the Editor of our magazine (and have been for the past 10 years). It is a very well respected publication so I am sure he will enjoy reading it every month as part of his membership. He can join on line via the website, by emailing me at [EMAIL='membership@minicooper.org']membership@minicooper.org[/EMAIL] or even phoning me on 01580 763975 – go on make my day!! My husband, Robert Young, is the Ex Works and Competition Car Registrar for the Club and he would welcome James onto his Register and would be able to give him help and assistance with the car. Incidentally, Dave Gilbert was actually the first Ex Works Registrar for the Club. I look forward to hearing from James Martin.

    Lesley Young
    Editor and Membership Secretary

  57. [B]Videos from tonights [/B][B]Fifth Gear[/B][B]:-[/B]
    Jason meets up with celebrity chef, car fanatic James Martin. James has an awesome collection of cars including a F1 car – but it doesn't work. James is desperate to experience driving such a machine, Jason arranges a drive in a 1996 Benetton F1 car.
    [URL]http://fwd.five.tv/fifth-gear/videos/other/james-martin[/URL]

    [B]Behind the Scenes[/B]
    Jason Plato teaches James Martin how to drive a 750bhp Formula 1 car.
    [URL]http://fwd.five.tv/fifth-gear/videos/behind-the-scenes/behind-the-scenes-james-martin[/URL]

  58. Welcome to the forum James , that was a lovely answer (the nob one)! I would have answered with, it takes one to know one! As you will find there are a lot of knobs on this forum but some on here should find out a bit more about the person first before slagging them off.

    Dave Gilbert was one of the best works car restorers in his time and always got the detail correct. If you look at 8EMO and 310 and many more cars which he had done, you will realize what I mean. I believe that Dave Gilbert started the Cooper Register off in the beginning and also I don't think he had much help from some of the members. Dave told me that he would never join the register. However I have been asked by James Martin to do some work on the car for him in the near future and I will help him with anything else that needs doing. I know James and his family, they are a very nice family and James is the perfect gentleman. If you are wondering why people don't join the register just look at some of the comments and the jealousy about people who own genuine cars and work hard to get the cars ready.

    Cheers

  59. Dai Bo wrote: “Welcome to the forum James , that was a lovely answer (the nob one)! I would have answered with, it takes one to know one! As you will find there are a lot of knobs on this forum but some on here should find out a bit more about the person first before slagging them off.

    Dave Gilbert was one of the best works car restorers in his time and always got the detail correct. If you look at 8EMO and 310 and many more cars which he had done, you will realize what I mean. I believe that Dave Gilbert started the Cooper Register off in the beginning and also I don't think he had much help from some of the members. Dave told me that he would never join the register. However I have been asked by James Martin to do some work on the car for him in the near future and I will help him with anything else that needs doing. I know James and his family, they are a very nice family and James is the perfect gentleman. If you are wondering why people don't join the register just look at some of the comments and the jealousy about people who own genuine cars and work hard to get the cars ready.

    Cheers”

    Can I suggest, that as you don't seem to like the MCR, and the people on this forum, that you stop posting on it? I think that the overall feedback from the members of the forum was very positive about James owning the car.
    With regard to being a 'knob', perhaps you'd like to go back and read the 9 posts you've made so far on this forum again! As you say…. it takes one to know one!:D

  60. Norto wrote: “Can I suggest, that as you don't seem to like the MCR, and the people on this forum, that you stop posting on it? I think that the overall feedback from the members of the forum was very positive about James owning the car.
    With regard to being a 'knob', perhaps you'd like to go back and read the 9 posts you've made so far on this forum again! As you say…. it takes one to know one!:D”

    I think the Administrators should call people 'Knobs'.

  61. I'm all for free speach but I've got to say what a complete shame it is that this thread about a great works Mini descended to the level of a kids squabble in a playground, I think it poor sport also to constantly opinionate about someone who's only just passed away ! :confused:
    If posters on the forum have truck with each other maybe better to take it offline and discuss their differences as opposed to sabotaging a decent topic ?

    As for the criticism about the Ex Works Register I think it worth mentioning that I remember the old days of the MCR when no articles about works competition Minis appeared from one year to the next, let alone monthly ! We have the Ex Works register, Robert Young specifically, to thank for all the wealth of information discussed on a regular basis in the MCR magazine, in fact we've never been so informed as to the workings of the Competitions Dept as we are now,and the personalities involved. The Ex Works Register a constant source of interesting info as opposed to a closed shop nowadays, not to mention all the displays , talks and slide shows we've had from the ex Abingdon staff over the years, something which I'm sure James will enjoy. Maybe if those that feel the need to run the MCR down actually contributed something to the club now and again they'd realise how much work people put into it without financial reward.;)

  62. rcm39 wrote: ” I wouldn't be surprised if James gives the Register a wide berth after this nonsense…and who could blame him.”

    Let's hope not, after all the daft comments about James were made by a non MCR member (which he apologised for) and the vast majority of this thread has been entirely positive.

  63. Right back on track, already posted this pic when we heard of Daves passing but I think we could all do with seeing the car again ( and Dave)
    [IMG]http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt258/Gray_01/Untitled-1.jpg[/IMG]

  64. Chef,
    From one chef to another, welcome to the register, and Cooper ownership. I am sure you'll find the wealth of knowledge amongst the members to be more of a plus than a minus, and I hope you get as much enjoyment out of your ownership of a rare car as I do of mine, perhaps we'll meet up at the Revival – my wife and I will be the dressed up for 3 days as the 60's Police, and we'll be looking out for any white tops going too hard allright? I think we'll have little chance of catching emo, but who knows?
    Good luck and have fun with it.
    Noel

  65. Austin Powere wrote: “…I think it poor sport also to constantly opinionate about someone who's only just passed away…”

    It is disgraceful, especially as his daughter subscribes to this Forum. I wouldn't be surprised if James gives the Register a wide berth after this nonsense…and who could blame him.

  66. Austin Powere wrote: “Paddy with 8 EMO, 4th on the 1963 RAC……

    An interesting photo (copyright usually credited to BMC via Bill Price).
    Hopkirk is not wearing a helmet but Liddon is.
    Has appeared elsewhere in books (including Tony Gardiner's excellent RAC book) captioned as being the Porlock stage of the 1963 RAC running downhill.
    Porlock seems to have been run uphill, as normal, on the 63 RAC and the photo is of the corner (being used uphill) that in more recent years was the bottom end of the Porlock hillclimb paddock.
    Porlock was run downhill once on the RAC? (but not in 63?).
    It was also scheduled to be run downhill (to fit in with the arrival/departure direction) on the RAC as late as 1976 – but was subject to a very late amendment of the Roadbook, changing it to run uphill with rally traffic 'double using' the main road to enable that.
    (The change to the route but not the time schedule in 76 was, I believe, used by Pentti Airrikala to continue running in the lead under protest after OTL exclusion at the Weston Super Mare TC).

  67. Here's a quick re-post of a programme that featured GRX and Dave, there are 3 parts to it, lots of MCR members too:)

    [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yonb8tEBCH4&feature=related[/URL]

    [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=786VNLHeVig&feature=related[/URL]

    [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xMxct5Vtu8&feature=related[/URL]

  68. Rally monte carlo hystoric

    I hope to see the car in 2010 to at the RMC.
    I have been looking after a mini from Belgium in 2007,and i have to say ;it is a different kind of rally.
    Hopefully James will find the right persons to service the car at the events,i know from experience what can hapen.
    Preparing the car is one thing,be prepared is the other one?
    Great for the RMC to have more and more mini's.

  69. minicenti wrote: “I hope to see the car in 2010 to at the RMC.
    I have been looking after a mini from Belgium in 2007,and i have to say ;it is a different kind of rally.
    Hopefully James will find the rigth persons to service the car at the events,i know from experience what can hapen.
    Preparing the car is one thing,be prepared is the other one?
    Great for the RMC to have more and more mini's.”

    Hello Robert, you have looked after a car from Belgium, could you tell me the reg number of the car which you were looking after in Belgium in 2007. I know a few people with mini rally cars in Belgium, as I have done quite a bit of work for them and supplied them with a lot of parts.

    I've found somebody in another mini club who is willing to give James all the navigation experience that he needs, they have done the Classic Monti Carlo rally about 10 times. They are very highly experienced and he couldn't wish for better advice and help. I believe that James has his own navigator and no doubt he will make his own mind up who he wants to help and advise him. It would be nice if James were to take the car along to one of these shows, to get a lot of advice off the genuine people.

  70. GRX555D outing

    Hi everybody, as some of you may already know, I am the new owner of the 'remains' of GRX555D, so rumors of a bidder from Monaco and of the car going to Italy are, in a way, true.
    But I was bidding from Italy, and the car stays in the UK!!:D:D
    I was aiming for GRX555D for long time, and when I finally managed to get it, I went wondering on WHY ever Dave never found the urge to finish it. In the 14+ boxes that came with lot 326 ther is more than enough to finish GRX, in both Monte '66 and Polish '66 guises. The shell is, well, you more or less saw it, a rotten floor, A posts, inner wheelarches shell, with no front wings. But more saveable that what ORX7F was (that one was BENT, and badly). It's up to individual tastes to decide in what livery should GRX555D be made, but, even if historically is wrong, I will go for Group 1, 1966 appendix J, MonteCarlo full spec. Even if this will mean to cover the holes on the rear wings where the wheelspats were fitted, the holes on the front apron where the later 4 lamp bar was fitted, and giving up a lot of nice gimmicks that were missing in 1966 Monte group 1 cars.
    So, here is my outing. Any inputs?

  71. Well, I paid for it, so, without sounding too harsh, yes, I s'ppose it's mine. Heh.
    On the time matters, I'm in the hands of some great professionals for the shell and the engine works. Parts are there, small things are missing (can't tell you what exactly out of my mind, and because otherwise these will be horrendously expensive in no time!), so, as I have got ORX7F in 1992, but only started working on it in 2000, since I had to gather info and parts, and here the big bundle has already been done… I reckon maybe a year, year and a half?

  72. Goodwood cars

    I am a very recent member to the cooper register and cooper owner and just think that its great news that we know the location of these exciting and historical cars which were sold at Goodwood and that they both remained in the UK with links to the club.

    Good luck with the restoration of GRX and keep us posted, I am certainly not in a position to comment on which way to go with it but cannot wait to see the final outcome!

  73. Congratulations on buying the car, and good luck with the restoration. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I politely ask that you provide us with regular updates and photos on the forum 😀
    It's great that both cars stayed in the UK, and both owners are on the forum! 😀

    ORX7 wrote: “Hi everybody, as some of you may already know, I am the new owner of the 'remains' of GRX555D, so rumors of a bidder from Monaco and of the car going to Italy are, in a way, true.
    But I was bidding from Italy, and the car stays in the UK!!:D:D
    I was aiming for GRX555D for long time, and when I finally managed to get it, I went wondering on WHY ever Dave never found the urge to finish it. In the 14+ boxes that came with lot 326 ther is more than enough to finish GRX, in both Monte '66 and Polish '66 guises. The shell is, well, you more or less saw it, a rotten floor, A posts, inner wheelarches shell, with no front wings. But more saveable that what ORX7F was (that one was BENT, and badly). It's up to individual tastes to decide in what livery should GRX555D be made, but, even if historically is wrong, I will go for Group 1, 1966 appendix J, MonteCarlo full spec. Even if this will mean to cover the holes on the rear wings where the wheelspats were fitted, the holes on the front apron where the later 4 lamp bar was fitted, and giving up a lot of nice gimmicks that were missing in 1966 Monte group 1 cars.
    So, here is my outing. Any inputs?”

  74. Well done Paul, even if you decided to take the car to Italy I'm sure most on here would be grateful that it has gone to a worthy owner, and as you have shown with ORX it would still probably show up over here more than some that still live here. As Norton has said photo updates would be great if you have time. Gray

  75. congratulations with the purchase of such a interesting car, must be nice:).

    I think it is very wise, that you gather information 1st, and then start the resto later, when you have the info(parts) you need, I am glad I didnt rush things, with my car—as I found so much info, during the 7 years, it was waiting in the garage, and even so, I still learned MUCH more, after it was finished:rolleyes: good luck with the car.

  76. GRX555D-Picture

    ORX7 wrote: “Here is a pic of the 'current state' when I was taking delivery of GRX 2 months ago. Will keep you posted, don't worry!
    Paul”

    Thought you (and others) might like this photo of the car pre your purchase Regards Bruce

  77. ORX7 wrote: “Hi everybody, as some of you may already know, I am the new owner of the 'remains' of GRX555D, so rumors of a bidder from Monaco and of the car going to Italy are, in a way, true.
    But I was bidding from Italy, and the car stays in the UK!!:D:D
    I was aiming for GRX555D for long time, and when I finally managed to get it, I went wondering on WHY ever Dave never found the urge to finish it. In the 14+ boxes that came with lot 326 ther is more than enough to finish GRX, in both Monte '66 and Polish '66 guises. The shell is, well, you more or less saw it, a rotten floor, A posts, inner wheelarches shell, with no front wings. But more saveable that what ORX7F was (that one was BENT, and badly). It's up to individual tastes to decide in what livery should GRX555D be made, but, even if historically is wrong, I will go for Group 1, 1966 appendix J, MonteCarlo full spec. Even if this will mean to cover the holes on the rear wings where the wheelspats were fitted, the holes on the front apron where the later 4 lamp bar was fitted, and giving up a lot of nice gimmicks that were missing in 1966 Monte group 1 cars.
    So, here is my outing. Any inputs?”

    Hi, and thanks for answering my question. I look forward to seeing both cars at a show when GRX is finished.

    PS, We have just bought some James Martin kitchen knives (they are great)………… do you think James will take me for a run in 8EMO now!!!!!;)

  78. I have seen 8EMO at two shows this year and both times have thoroughly enjoyed looking over this wonderful car (shame about all the horrid dust at the Goodwood show on saturday, it got on everything!!!) lovely motor you have there and thanks for sharing with us mini nuts.

    Regards: Peter

  79. I had the pleasure of seeing James drive EMO at speed on the grass next to me on the track in the Sprint during the Goodwood Revival parade, an excellent weekend, I will get some pictures up soon 🙂

  80. Not a great copy this but here's Paddy's write up of the 1965 1000 Lakes and a flying 8 EMO..

    [IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/porgy6/Scan10023.jpg[/IMG]

  81. Bryn could shed some light on this (see what I did there ? :p) as his dad saw 8 EMO close up when it came up for sale in Wales many years ago, I don't think there was much at all left of the original works rally car at that point so that roof light could well have some history !

  82. Not that it adds much to this thread but it was my phone call that alerted
    Dave Gilbert to 8 EMO. It must have been in the late 1970's or early 1980's when Dave had an article in a magazine asking for information on ex-works cars.
    A friend of mine said he had seen a red/white mini in a yard near Frodsham,Cheshire. Having owned JBL172D I knew something about ex-works cars and went to have a look. My recollection is that it was incomplete and a bit of a mess. But it was an ex-works reg: I don't recall a roof light but it was a long time ago.

  83. Austin Powered is right,Bryn (and his dad) can help.I first saw 8EMO on the 1963 RAC,and it did have a roof light then,and there is a picture of it in Browning's 'Works Minis'.However when I next saw the car it was a mess,putting it mildly.It must have been 1967 or maybe 68,and she arrived at Jones's Garage Treuddyn (near Mold/Chester) on the end of a rope with oil running from the exhaust.
    No auxilliary lamps at all,no sign of a roof lamp or hole (had there already been a part-reshell?),most of the instruments were gone,the seats were torn,and the body was showing signs of coming unsoldered.Apparently I saw it on the way back from testing,but I don't think it was in the hands of BMC,but the log in the car recording engine changes was mighty interesting.1071 obviously,but then a mix of 999,1293,and when I saw it an 1132,which must have been a bored-out 1071.
    Those accompanying the car offered me the remains for some ridiculously high figure-£400 comes to mind,but I turned that down as my own 1071 was far better!!Isn't hindsight marvellous.

  84. Pierc wrote: ”
    Those accompanying the car offered me the remains for some ridiculously high figure-£400 comes to mind,but I turned that down as my own 1071 was far better!!Isn't hindsight marvellous.”

    Yes some great decicions, have been made over the years:rolleyes:
    you are not alone;) 'et tu' as Julius Caecar said to his son Brutus, and I for one, can only relate to that:(

    Jens Christian

  85. Just thought I'd post a couple of pics of 8 EMO following its appearance at Beauleiu.

    [IMG]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww102/surfblue63/Beaulieu%202010/2010_06130421.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww102/surfblue63/Beaulieu%202010/2010_06130010.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww102/surfblue63/Beaulieu%202010/2010_06130377.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww102/surfblue63/Beaulieu%202010/2010_06130376.jpg[/IMG]

    .

  86. Hang on there sounds like the very first Beaulieu, but dont forget health and safety, and MSA approval, and insurance, and permission from Lord Montegue !!!

  87. david i kindly sent you some anti roll bar drop links , in return for a few old photos of my mk1 s . havnt heard from you since! if you come across any i would still like them . if youve lost my address pm me. thanks

  88. Hi Swifty I have contacted Simon twice so far, who has promised to send some pics of the car as yet I have not recieved any to forward to you. I will call again and arrange to visit him this time, you will realise the reason you sent me the drop links is, he is, shall we say, very busy! Thanks again for the links, David

  89. Today's Mail on Sunday:

    [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1312225/JAMES-MARTIN-The-Mini-Cooper-S-classic-British-car-racing-pedigree-How-boy-racer-resist.html[/url]

  90. AM wrote: “Sadly I think the first part of this may well be a veiled reference to some of the comments on this site.:(”

    Having had a complete reread I'd hope not. James did however comment on here regarding the need to join another 40,000 forums to put forward his side of the Masa episode that made him look a 'knob'!:eek: Hopefully we're included in the, unquoted, real enthusiasts section, at least he's joined us at both club and forum level. What chance an appearance in Coventry at the end of March?:D

  91. iai wrote: “Today's Mail on Sunday:

    [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1312225/JAMES-MARTIN-The-Mini-Cooper-S-classic-British-car-racing-pedigree-How-boy-racer-resist.html[/URL]”

    [I][COLOR=red]…internet motoring sites are full of bores who'll give you a kicking if they think you've got a fact wrong…[/COLOR] :):):)[/I]

    [I][COLOR=red]I have a bloke in Wales who has an Aladdin's cave of Mini bits and pieces and a wealth of knowledge.[/COLOR] [/I]

    Dave Boswell…?

  92. rcm39 wrote: “[I][COLOR=red]…internet motoring sites are full of bores who'll give you a kicking if they think you've got a fact wrong…[/COLOR] :):):)[/I]

    [I][COLOR=red]I have a bloke in Wales who has an Aladdin's cave of Mini bits and pieces and a wealth of knowledge.[/COLOR] [/I]

    Dave Boswell…?”

    Sadly I think the first part of this may well be a veiled reference to some of the comments on this site.:(

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