How do I know if I have an MK2? (33 replies)
I have a variety of paperwork that came with my 1970 or 1971 Austin Mini. The original paperwork from the Netherlands says it is an Austin(GB) Mini MK II. When the car went through customs it was listed as a 1970. The original seller on eBay listed it as an MK IV. The next owner registered it as a 1971 MINI MK II and when I tried to title it that way the title was corrected to read 1970. How do I determine what the car really is? The number on the chassis is B205 909719A. Can I trace that number back some way? Any suggestions are welcome.
[b]BluEyz wrote: [/b] "I have a variety of paperwork that came with my 1970 or 1971 Austin Mini. The original paperwork from the Netherlands says it is an Austin(GB) Mini MK II. When the car went through customs it was listed as a 1970. The original seller on eBay listed it as an MK IV. The next owner registered it as a 1971 MINI MK II and when I tried to title it that way the title was corrected to read 1970. How do I determine what the car really is? The number on the chassis is B205 909719A. Can I trace that number back some way? Any suggestions are welcome."
The number doesn't match UK built numbers? Where was this built?
[font=Arial][size=2]Mk3 introduced in November 1969 had wind up windows with internal door hinges except van and pickups. The boot lid lost the original hinged number plate and its recess shape and a large rear color coded lamp was fitted in its place. Larger rear side windows. [/size][/font]
Thank you for the links. I will study them. The earliest paperwork I have is a 'fahrzeugbrief'. Since I can't read what it says other than the name I assumed the car was built in the Netherlands. The 'fahrzughersteller' says 'Austin (GB). The ID # is XA2S1NO26110. Does that have significance? The other number I listed was found on the frame under the hood. Should I be looking somewhere else for identifying numbers? Thanks so much for taking the time to try to aid me along in my identification process.
The B20S number is a body number from a Mini 850 or 1000 - Mk 3 onwards.
It's hard to tell from the picture but the car looks rather later than that.
Could it be B20S = Mini City?
Yes, it is B2OS and not B205.
Yes it's definitely a 1990/91 'Mainstream' Rover Mini Cooper by the sounds of it and these were pretty much the first Minis to get 'both mechanical and electric cooling fans'.
But definitely follow Mini59's advice and "Look for the chassis number on the scuttle panel. If it is the original scuttle, it will be in the lip above the area of the brake master cylinder."
Then come back and tell us what it says. Don't give the full details though, just confirm that it starts 'SAXXNNAMBBD'.
But using older id/documents to get newer Minis through the US customs is quite a common thing it seems.
[b]BluEyz wrote: [/b] "imported from Holland to the U.S."
As masnarda already indicated, 'Fahrzugbrief' is German for 'V5' and considering it says 'MK II', I am sure that the car originates from Germany and not Holland. In Germany, any Minibetween 1967 - 2000 isregistered as Mk II even though that's totally wrong for post 1970 Mini's. The chassisnumber (XA2S1N) and body number (B20S) sound proper for 1970/1971 but the car definately looks much much younger. I can only conclude that this must be an example of the common mix and match practice to bypass the US laws for imported cars 😕
Btw, 'Fahrzughersteller' is German for 'car manufacturer'.
Edit: There also doesn't exist something like a Mini Cooper Mk IV. The only Coopers in the Mk IV period where maybe the Innocenti's but they look again much different...
XA2S1N is from a Mini 1000 however having just seen the other picture it looks more like a Rover Cooper with a tax free i/d nailed to it.
B20S body numbers started in 1969 and were still being used on Mini 30's so it doesn't really give a reliable clue as to the model.
Also consider that the car might have been stolen from Germany and then imported to ? on its 'old ID. chassis no.'
Or am I just thinking the worst!